Donald Trump & Ramaphosa on South Africa, Land, and Peace

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Donald Trump
Didn't she sign in Virginia, yet she said she lived in Virginia, yet she's the New York State Attorney General, and she did that for tax reasons, so she could take advantage of taxes. And she had the wrong number of units. She had a much different number, which wouldn't have allowed her to qualify and scam the government. So I don't know. I think she's very bad for New York. But I really don't know too much about it. But I appreciate the question. Thank you very much. Yes, sir. Mr. President, I want to ask you to be

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Journalist
convinced that there's no genocide.

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Donald Trump
Please.

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Journalist 3
Thank you mr. President. So the celebration of Africa which pretty much is a lot of celebration around the world including here in the United States. What is your message to the entire African continent?

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Donald Trump
Well, I want to see peace, and I want to see happiness. I want to health. And, you know, you have incredible land. It's tremendous value. A lot of countries don't have that value in the land, the value you have. You know, we have a situation I think you probably heard about. We've done, through some very talented people, helped settle a war that's been raging for years, Rwanda and the Congo. And I think we've done it. Believe it or not, I think we have done it. And could you just say a few words about that, my friend?

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Journalist 4
Yes. A couple of weeks ago, we signed, they signed, the two parties signed a declaration of principle in which they agreed on the way forward. And we're, they have both submitted draft peace agreements, and we have put together one that incorporates both of their suggestions and we've given it to them so we're in the process of finalizing this looking very good

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
no we have to thank you for even those efforts because the african continent particularly sadak our southern african development community has for years been seeking to foster peace in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. So all efforts, including those from outside the continent and inside the continent, are really worthwhile. We have just, we are removing our traditional community. We will really have peace in that area. It's so vital, it's so important for the whole region.

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Donald Trump
Well, we sent our people there and I think we did a very good job. I sat here by my friend, and that was great. That was great. I mean, I'm just hearing phenomenal reports, because all I'm hearing is death, death, and the chopping heads off. And it's horrible over there. And it was really brave of you to go there, and I really appreciate it. And it looks like that it looks like we have something very, very substantial. We also talked about trade with them in terms of rare earth and all, but really more for the it's like if you take a look at what we just did with Pakistan and India, we settled that hole. And I think I settled it through trade. We're doing a big deal with India. We're doing big deal with Pakistan. And I said, what are you guys doing?

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Donald Trump
You know, they — somebody had to be the last one to shoot. But the shooting was getting worse and worse, bigger and bigger, deeper and deeper into the countries. And we spoke to them, and we — I think we — you know, I hate to say we got it settled, and then two days later, something happens and they say, it's Trump's fault. But we, Pakistan has got some excellent people and some really good, great leaders. And India is my friend, Modi. The and he's a great guy. And I call them both. And we just did something good. We were trying to settle Russia-Ukraine. You spoke with President Putin for two and a half hours the day before yesterday. I think we made a lot of progress, but that's a bloodbath. 5,000 people are being killed a week, 5,000 soldiers a week, not including people in cities and towns that are also being killed.

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Donald Trump
So we're trying to help. And it doesn't affect us. It's not our people. It's not us. It's the soldiers. It's Ukraine and it's Russia. But if we can save 5,000 souls, we'll do it. You know, we're pretty good at it. But it's a bad situation. That is a really bad situation. 

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
Well, you'll recall when President Zelensky was coming to South Africa, that's when I spoke to you. 

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Donald Trump
TThat's right.

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
We both agreed that we need to push the peace message so that there can really be peace. And we've been involved in the Ukraine-Russia conflict for quite a while. state security here. We've been dealing with them, the exchange of children who were taken away, going through names and addresses and all that. So we've been invested in that whole process as well. And the moves that you're making are fully supported by us because we would like to see the end of that war. 

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Donald Trump


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Donald Trump
I called Zelensky and they said, he's in South Africa. I said, what the hell is he doing in South Africa? He was talking to us. We got this. That's a strange one. I said, why are you doing in South African? That's a weird one. very strange one.

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
He's trying to make peace. You know, we were lucky because we had a great nurse at Mandela who taught us how to create peace, to make peace. So we were imparting some of those lessons to him. some of those learnings. And I specifically mentioned to him that this is how Nelson Manera taught us, that when you want to have a peace in a country, do it on an unconditional basis and sit down and talk. And that's precisely what I'm sure he's going to heed.

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Donald Trump
Well, let me see what happens with that one. It's a lot of, there's a lot hatred. There's a a lot of death. It's bloodbath.

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
It is. Unfortunately.

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Donald Trump
I get the satellite pictures of that field, of that killing field. You never saw anything like it in your life. It's horrible. It's a horrible thing that goes on, but I think we've made big progress.

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Donald Trump
Please, go ahead. No, no, not you. Right here. He's from South Africa. Go ahead, please.

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Journalist 3
What are you expecting on the ICJ case? Are you expecting South Africa to drop that? Is that what you're trying to do?

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Donald Trump
On which case?

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Journalist 3
The ICJ case. The International Criminal Justice.

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Donald Trump
I don't expect anything, to be honest. I really don't. I don't know. They've got a case. There's a lot of anger there, tremendous anger. I don't extract anything. We'll see what happens. We'll have a ruling, and who knows what the ruling is going to mean.

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Journalist 3
Yeah. Q On that subject of Gaza, Mr. President, are you going to be speaking to Prime Minister Netanyahu about Israel's renewed offensive there, being all concerned from European countries, the Pope has expressed concern. Are you going to asking Prime Minister Netanyahu to turn down the offensive in Gaza, to let more aid in?

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Donald Trump
Was that a question or a statement? 

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Journalist 3
Yes, it was a question

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Donald Trump
You never change. 

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Journalist 4
Mr. President, this time, what will it take for you to be convinced that there is no white genocide in South Africa?

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Journalist 4


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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
Well, I can answer that for the President. It's for him. No, seriously.

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Donald Trump
I rather have him answer

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
I know to answer

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
It will take President Trump listening. to the voices of South Africans, some of whom are his good friends, like those who are here. When we have talks between us on a quiet table, it will take President Trump to listen to them. I'm not going to be repeating what I've been saying. I would say if there was Afrikaner farmer genocide, I can bet you These three gentlemen would not be here, including my Minister of Agriculture. He would not be with me. So it'll take him, President Trump, listening to their stories, to their perspective. That is the answer to your question.

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Donald Trump
But, Mr. President, I must say that we have... President No, no, wait. We have thousands of stories talking about it. And we have documentaries. We have news stories. And is Natalie here? Somebody here to turn that? I could show you a couple of things. And I would — I just — I have to — it has to be responded to. The Yeah, sure. The Let me see the articles, please, if you would. And turn — excuse me. Turn the lights down. Turn the lights down and just put this on. It's right behind you, Johan.

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Journalist 5
There's nothing this Parliament can do, with or without you, people are going to occupy land. We require no permission from you, from the president, from no one. We don't care, we can do whatever you want to do. Who are you to tell us whether we can occupy land or not? We are going to Occupy Land, South Africa, Occupy land. That's who we are. What can we do? What can we develop and leverage from this ruthless Parliament?

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Brian Journalist
A revolution demands that at some point there must be killing, because the killing is part of a revolutionary act. Soot kill, namaza! Gull! Gull! Gull!

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Journalist 6
Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull!

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Speaker 11
Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! Gull! So these people, when you want to hit them hard, go after a white man. They did a terrible thing because they attacked a white man,

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Journalist 6
I'm saying to you, we're not called for the killing of white people, at least for now. I can't understand the future.

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Speaker 6
Yeah, but, and, you don't understand something you're watching now, especially as it gets shared on Twitter. The next week, oh, it sounds like it's going to die. Ah, I can't take it.

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Journalist 5
without compensation whether they like it or not. If they object, they can seek a refugee in America.

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Donald Trump
Now, this is very bad. These are burial sites right here. sites. Over a thousand white farmers and those cars are lined up to pay love on a Sunday morning, each one of those white things you see is a cross. There's approximately 1,000 of them. They're all white farmers, the family of white farmers. And those cars aren't driving. They're stopped there to pay respects to their family member who was killed. And it's a terrible sight. I've never seen anything like it. Both sides of the road, you have crosses.

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
Have they told you where that is, Mr. President? Yes. I'd like to know where that is because this I've never seen.

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Donald Trump
It's in South Africa this week.

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Journalist 5
accepting a Qatari jet to be used as Air Force One?

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Donald Trump
What are you talking about? You know, you ought to get out of here. What does this have to do with the Qatari jet? They're giving the United States Air Force a jet, okay? And it's a great thing. We're talking about a lot of other things. It's NBC trying to get off the subject of what you just saw. You are a real, you know, you're a terrible reporter. Number one, you don't have what it takes to be a reporter. You're not smart enough. But for you to go onto a subject about A jet that was given to the United States Air Force, which is a very nice thing. They also gave $5.1 trillion worth of investment in addition to the jet. Go back, you ought to go back to your studio at NBC because Brian Roberts and the people that run that place, they ought to be investigated.

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Donald Trump
They are so terrible, the way you run that network. And you're a disgrace. No more questions from you. Go ahead. The Press Mr. President, All right, talk about that. His name is Peter something. He's a terrible report. Quiet, quiet, quiet. Let's go.

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Speaker 13
Thank you so much. President Trump, I have a question from the NCAA in South Africa. Thank you very much. The very much,

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Donald Trump
Gina.

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Speaker 13
What would you like President Ramaphosa to do about the situation that we've just seen on the screen?

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Donald Trump
The I don't know. Look, these are articles over the last few days. of people. Horrible death. Death. I don't know. To pick anyone, white South Africans are fleeing because of the violence and racist laws And this is all... I mean, I'll give these to you. So when you say, what would I like to do, I don't know what to do. Look at this. White South African couples say that they were attacked violently.

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Journalist 8
The Presser-President Trump, why don't you go and see for yourself if it is a big deal?

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Donald Trump
The Well, I could do that. Look, here's burial sites all over the place. They're all... These are all white farmers that are being buried. And he asks about a jet that was given. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You know, you are so bad. You're such a bad reporter.

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Brian Journalist
This is one

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Donald Trump
after another. This family was wiped out. I'm just... Look at... Can

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Journalist 6
we get a response from President Trump? Can you give us your reaction

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Donald Trump
to those videos, Mr. President? President Trump's reaction... Well, I think it's... I think the videos are so... No, no, when you look at the videos... I mean, how does it get worse? And these are people that are officials, and they're saying that, kill the white farmer and take their land. That's what it is. You got a lot of opposition. And I have other friends in South Africa, people that left, one in particular, that says it's — you can't go there. He said they want to take your land, they take your land. They kill you. It's okay. And they say it's okay to do. Now, we're going to talk about it. The President The President The The The President The President The

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Speaker 15
The

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Donald Trump
The The The President The President

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Speaker 15
The President And you know, the man

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Donald Trump
that you saw, the men that you saw the people that you saw in that, those are officials those are people that were in office. They had one march, they had a dance in your parliament whatever you may call it, legislature. And it was terrible.

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
Let me clarify that because what you saw the speeches that were being made one, that is not government policy. We have a multi-party democracy in South Africa that allows people to express themselves, political parties to adhere to various policies, and in many cases, or in some cases, those policies do not go along with government policy. Our government policy is completely, completely against what he was saying, even in the parliament. And they're a small minority party. which is allowed to exist in terms of our Constitution.

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Donald Trump
But you do allow them to take land.

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
No, no, no, You do allow them take land. Nobody can take land. then when they take the land, they kill the white farmer. And when they kill the White farmer, nothing happens to them.

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
No, there is quite...

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Donald Trump
Nothing happens to them?

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
There is criminality in our country. People who do get killed, unfortunately, through criminal activity, are not only white people. The majority of them are black people. And we have now been utilizing...

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Donald Trump
The farmers are not black. The farmers are not black. I don't say that's good or bad, but the farmers are not black, and the people that are being killed in large numbers. And you saw all those grave sites, and those are people that loved ones going, I guess, on a Sunday morning, they told me, to pay respect to their loved ones that were killed, their heads chopped off, they died violently. And, you know, I mean, we're here to talk about it. And I didn't know we'd get involved here. But I will say this, that if the news wasn't fake like NBC, which is fake news, totally one of the worst, ABC, NBC, CBS, horrible. But if they weren't fake news like this jerk that we have here, if we had real reporters, they'd be covering it. But the fake news in this country doesn't talk about that.

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Donald Trump
They don't want to talk about it, but now they have to talk about. But they won't. This won't even be a subject. They'll have him talking about why did a country give a free thing of this. Why did a country give an airplane to the United States Air Force? Okay? The United States Air... Not to me, to the United State Air Force, so they could help us out, because we need an Air Force One until our... Since Air Force One is being built, two of them being built. But Boeing's a little bit late, unfortunately. So why did they give us a plane to the United Sates Air Force? That's what that idiot talks about after viewing a thing where thousands of people are dead.

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
I'm sorry, I don't have a plane to give you.

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Donald Trump
I wish you did. I would take it.

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Donald Trump
If your country offered the United States Air Force a plane, I would take.

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
Okay. But coming back to this issue, which I really would like us to talk about, and talk about it very calmly, We were taught by Nelson Mandela that whenever there are problems, people need to sit down around a table and talk about them.

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Donald Trump
Well, there are broad ones.

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
And this is precisely what we would also like to talk about, including, of course, trade matters, investment matters. So the issues that concern you as the United States.

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Donald Trump
Those are all recent. Those are all deaths.

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
Yeah. In many ways, I mean, one should say you are a partner, partner of South Africa, and you are raising concerns, and these are concerns that we are willing to talk to you about. Let me just add quickly, you know, the... The criminality that we are experiencing in our country needs quite a lot of technological capability.

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
And in one of our areas in South Africa, we're using U.S. technology, which is able to, in many ways, identify where shootings are happening and all that. And I'd like to talk about that because there is support that we can get from you and the United States to help us deal with all these acts of criminality. And that is what I believe partnership is all about. And we are here as a partner so that we can... help each other whenever there are challenges. So I'd like us to discuss it, and of course, outside of the media, so that we sit down and have a really good discussion that will lead to good outcomes.

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Journalist 6
Are there any other punitive measures that could be in place should you not be satisfied that South Africa is fixing some of the very bad things in the comments that you tweeted are happening?

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Donald Trump
Well, there are a lot of bad things happening in, you know, many countries, but this in particular has been very, very bad. Very bad. And because of, you know... We're gonna have the whole world watching in another short period of time because you have the G20. And that's a big deal. And it seems like... Yeah, I mean... I want you to look good. I don't want you to look bad. The President Very good. The But we have hundreds of people, thousands of people, trying to come into our country because they feel they're going to be killed and their land is going to be confiscated. And you do have laws that were passed that gives you the right to confiscate land for no payment. You can take away land for no payments.

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
I want to clarify that. Because we have a constitution. Our constitution guarantees and protects the sanctity of tenure of land ownership. And that constitution protects all South Africans with regards to land ownership. However, we do say, because we've got to deal with the past, the government, and as your government also has the right to expropriate land for public use.

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Donald Trump
And you're doing that.

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
And we've never really gotten under way with that. And we are going to be doing so.

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Donald Trump
You're taking people's land away from them. And those people, in many cases, are being executed. They're being executed. And they happen to be white, and most of them happen to be farmers. And that's a tough situation. I don't know how you explain that. How do you explain that? They're taking people's land away, and in many cases those people are being executed, and in many case it's not the government that's doing it, it's people that kill them and then take their land, and nothing happens to them. But we have thousands of people that want to come into our country. They're also going to Australia. in a smaller number. But we have thousands of people that want to come into our country, and they're white farmers, and they feel that they're going to die. in South Africa and it's a bad thing. Yes, please. Mr.

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Donald Trump
President, I have a question for you.

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Journalist 8
What can South Africa do? What concessions would you like to see them make to improve relations with the United States? Then I have one more for President Ramaphosa afterwards.

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Donald Trump
Well, you know, we just spoke about it. I got them a very, very complex machine, 150 of them. I was asked by the President if he could help. And I did that. And, you know, I have great feeling for all countries. I look, I deal with all countries, but I have a great feeling for South Africa because I have friends. I have a couple of friends, a few friends here today. I have many friends from South Africa, but many of those friends are Or they can't go back. I have — Elon is from South Africa. I don't want to get Elon involved. That's all I have to do, get him into another thing. But Elon happens to be from South Africa, this is what Elon wanted. He actually came here on a different subject, sending rockets to Mars, okay? He likes that better.

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Donald Trump
He likes that subject better. But Elon is from the South Africa, and I don't — I don't wanna talk to him about that. I don't think it's fair to him. But I will say that, People are fleeing South Africa for their own safety. Their land is being confiscated, and in many cases, they're being killed. And that scene of, you see how many crosses they have. Those crosses, that's a dead person in every one of them. And those trucks or cars are paying their respects to all of those dead people on a Sunday morning. That's a rough thing to explain away.

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Donald Trump
And the problem we have,

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Donald Trump
and the way, you know, A correct and a fair media exposes things. But we have a very corrupt media. They won't even report this. If this were the other way around, it would be the biggest story. Now, I will say, apartheid, terrible. That was the biggest story that was reported all the time. This is sort of the opposite of apartheid. What's happening now is never reported. Nobody knows about it. All we know is we're being inundated with people, with white farmers from South Africa. And it's a big problem. Marco Rubio is telling me he's never seen anything like it. The numbers of people that want to leave South Africa because they feel they're going to be dead very soon. Yes, please. Brian, go

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Brian Journalist
Seventy-two percent of farmers in your country are white, if they flee, do you feel that maybe the economy could collapse? You may not have a gap to fill those people that need to replace those farmers.

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
You know, I'd like my minister of agriculture, who is white, who comes from an opposition party to mine, who has joined my government at my invitation, to address this very issue, including the question that you've just raised. John?

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Minister of Agriculture-John
Thank you very much, Mr President. Mr President, thank you for welcoming us to the White House. I would say we have a real safety problem in South Africa. I don't think anyone wants to candy coat that. And it requires a lot of effort to get on top of it. It's going to require more policing resources. It's goingto require a different strategy to be able to deal with it. But certainly the majority of South Africa's commercial and smallholder farmers really do want to stay in South Africa and make it work. And I've just come from the largest agricultural show in the Southern Hemisphere with organised agriculture and farmers, and the majority want to stay. But they, too, there have a memorial to those who've died as a result of farm attacks. And as the Minister of Agriculture, it is something that I'm particularly exercised with my colleagues at police and my colleagues in the justice cluster to start making farm attacks and stock theft a priority crime.

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Minister of Agriculture-John
And it affects all farmers in South Africa, particularly stock theft. It has a disproportionate effect on small, black farmers. I also want to just say this, that the two individuals that are in that video that you've seen are both leaders of opposition minority parties in South Africa. The Konto Esiswe under Mr. Zuma and the Economic Freedom Fighters under Mr. Malema. Now, the reason that my party, the Democratic Alliance, which has been an opposition party for over 30 years, chose to join hands with Mr. Ramaphosa's party was precisely to keep those people out of power. We cannot have those people sitting in the union buildings making decisions.

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Minister of Agriculture-John
And that is why, after 30 years of us exchanging barbs across the floor in Parliament and trying to get one over on each other, We've decided to join hands precisely to keep that lot out of government because the day they get in to the doors of the union buildings in South Africa or control of our parliament, that's what you're going to see. And that is why this government, working together, needs the support of our allies around the world so that we can strengthen our hand, grow our economy, and shut the door forever on that rabble getting through the doors of the union bodies, because then South Africa's future would be...

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Speaker 11
So you denounce that type of language in the video that you saw?

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
Oh, yes. We've always done so. As government, as my own party, we are completely opposed to that. We, in 1955, adopted a document which said, South Africa belongs to all who live in it.

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Donald Trump
But why wouldn't you arrest that man? That man said, kill the white farmers, kill the white farmers. And then he danced, and he's dancing, dancing, and it's kill the white farms. I think, I'm not sure, but I think if somebody got up in Parliament and started saying, kill a certain group of people, they — he would be — he would arrested very quickly. That man is going all over South Africa. And that's not a small party. That was a stadium that holds 100,000 people, and I hardly saw an empty seat. That's a lot of people. That's a representation. And those crosses — We have dead white people, dead white farmers, mostly. And you take a look at Australia. They're being inundated and we're being inudated with people that want to get out. And their farm is valueless. It's valueless, and they just want to get out with their life.

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Donald Trump
And this is a very serious situation. And if we had a real news or real press or media, we don't have that, because they won't talk about this. because they're all guys like that idiot. But if we had a real press, it would be exposed. And you know the beauty of exposing it is it's like a cleansing action. When it gets exposed, it'll get fixed. That's when it'll get fix. But people don't talk about it. And I'll tell you who's talking about the thousands of people that are fleeing South Africa right now.

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Speaker 15
The Press We

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Journalist 3
discussed USAID, the devastating impact the cuts are having across the African continent.

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Donald Trump
President You know, it's devastating. And hopefully a lot of people are going to start spending a lot of money. And I've talked to other nations. We want them to chip in and spend money too. And we've spent a lot, and it's a big — it's a tremendous problem going on. In many countries, a lot of problems going on. The United States always gets — the request for money nobody else helps as you know europe doesn't help europe hasn't given anything all they do is sue our companies you know they sue apple and they sue all of our companies apple had to pay 17 million dollars on a nonsense lawsuit very unfair but we uh we're going to always be there to help

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Speaker 15
Diolch

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Journalist 9
yn fawr. should rise to south african broadcasting if this africana resetting the issue is resolved We're going to go into a room after this. You guys are going to talk. If it is resolved, what is the potential for the future-looking relationships between the United States? 

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Donald Trump
It's got to be resolved. It should be resolved. I mean, it's a little bit bad when you see a stadium with 100,000 people in it, because that means it's more than just a little movement. It's a pretty big movement in South Africa. So it has to be resolved, It'll be the end of the country if it's not. But is there potential

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Journalist 9
for the relationship moving forward?

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Donald Trump
I hope so. That's why I'm here. You in November. I mean, I'm not here for my health. I'm here to see what it is. No, I'd like to see. I have friends. I can tell you Ernie Els and Ratif Ghusn, they feel so strongly they wanted to be here on behalf of South Africa, not on behalf of me. And you know, they said, can we be here for this? They love the country. Ernie, do you guys want to say a couple of words? I don't. I hate to put you in this. This is tougher than sinking a three-footer. They've sent me three footers. They have. And they've sank many three-footers.

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Ernie
The Thank you, Mr. President. And thanks for the honor of being here. We've known each other a long time. We have spoken. you know we proud south africans i still have my south african passport you know we to travel with this passport, you know, and I got my visa here. So... But we want to see things get better in our home country. That's the bottom line. It's been 35 years since the transition. President Ramaphosa was right in the middle of the transition time in 1990 and before that. So it's been 35 years of ANC government. And I know there's a lot of anger through the transition. There's a lot stuff happening in the apartheid days. We grew up in the aparthite era. But I don't think two wrongs makes a right. Mandela, when he came out of prison for all that time, didn't come out with hatred, you know, and, um, unified our nation through sport.

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Ernie
We won the Rugby World Cup in 1995. Four times. We won the African Nations Cup of soccer. You know, we want some majors as goldfish and so forth. So what I'm trying to say is, you know, this has been a long time coming. That's why we really wanted to meet you, the administration. and see our way forward, because we still want to see our country flourish. You know, we've got some great things going on. Business is getting involved with government. Farming, farmers are getting involved in local municipalities, trying to rebuild some of the infrastructure that's been decaying for a long time. So there's a lot of, coexistence going on and help from a lot of areas. I feel we need the U.S. We've got a great ally if we can have the U. S. It's always been an ally of South Africa for a very long time.

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Ernie
Even in the days of the war, up in Angola, you guys helped us. Very important for us to have your support and you know, get the change we need.

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Donald Trump
Boy, did you do that well.

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Donald Trump
He might have done that even better than he plays Go, which is almost impossible.

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Johan
sorry Mr president if you had to wind all of those places properly, you will see I'm the biggest target of that rubber browser. Number one for every 10 years. Mr. Malema. In fact, the first time I met him, he was in the youth league with that gentleman. And look how he's changed. Right. We have too many deaths. But it's across the board. It's not only white farmers. It's across the board. And we need technological help. We need Starlink at every little police station. We need drones. I actually got drones donated for the peace parks to stop elephant and lion poaching. And his predecessor stopped the importation because he said the United States would spy on us. If you can help us. Remember, sir, you and I lived in New York in the 70s. We never thought New York would be... what it became. To Commissioner Duff-Meyer, we need your help to stop this awful killing.

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Johan
But it's across the board. Ernie is right now building a house in George. I'm building three cottages for my grandchildren on a farm outside Traffronet. I often go to bed without locking the door. And we have a serious problem with illegal aliens who stream across the border. And if you really look at our statistics, a lot of these murders, firstly, it's unemployment, and illegal aliens. And then I met Vice President Vance many years ago at the Charlie Rose show. My wife loved the book. And she reminded me this morning that you emphasized the devastation that occurs when big companies leave towns and cities, and there's a culture of dependency that develops. And I remember you discussing it. Now, that's our problem. If we don't get our economy to grow, the culture of dependency and the lawlessness will increase. I've been against apartheid all my life, and I'm their number one target.

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Johan
Please just Google my name and my name. You'll see it, sir. He marched on the farm.

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Donald Trump
But the crime is bad.

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Johan
The crime is terrible, sir, but Mr. Steenhuisen won't admit to it, but he runs the Western Cape, where I live. And the biggest murder rate is in the Cape Flats. Gangs. We've got gang warfare. Like your M33, what are these guys? We've got equivalents there, but we need your help, sir. And we need a lot of technology.

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
Well, one of the real areas of support is really in investments. We've got to grow our economy. Because through growing the economy, we're then able to create more jobs. Because crime really thrives where there is inequality and unemployment. And that is one of the reasons that has brought us here to improve our investment relations, our trade relations, so that we can preserve the number of jobs that your companies have created in South Africa. By virtue of what we export to you, we are able to create up to 500,000 jobs in the auto industry, in the agricultural industry, and a number of other industries, mining, where we export things to you. And we also know that as South African companies invest here, you are also able to create jobs. So it's a mutually beneficial relationship.

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
So our main, main real reason for being here is to foster trade and investment so that we are able to grow our economy, your support so that we are also able to address all these societal problems because criminality thrives when people are unemployed, when they have no other hope to eke out a living. So that is what we need to resolve. And your support, your partnership with us is what is really going to give us a strong, strong capability to move forward.

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Journalist 6
The Press The Press The

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Donald Trump
excuse me do you have anything to say i mean I don't want to leave you out you know the guy won three or four majors

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Speaker
yeah thank you Mr president president Ramapoa i grew up in 42:16 an area in South Africa that is a farmland  farmland area of Polokwani. And there is some issues up there, obviously. My dad was a property developer as well as a part-time farmer. Yeah, some of these buddy farmers got killed. The farm is still going. My brother's running. But it's a constant battle with farms trying to get... They're trying to burn the farms down to chase you away. So it is a concern to try and make a living as a farmer. And at the end, without farmers, there's no food on the plate. So we need the farmers to produce the food.

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Journalist 11

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Donald Trump
He wouldn't do it. He wouldn't even want to do what you're doing. They love farming. They don't want to leave. It's a struggle.

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Journalist 11
Yeah, and you know, food and fresh water is the most important thing in life. You know, those two things you can't survive.

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Donald Trump
How is the water there?

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Journalist 11
The water is great, obviously. All the water comes out of the borehole, out of ground for us. But yeah, it is a battle to get the water out sometimes when all the equipment gets stolen all the time that you're trying to get the... So does your

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Donald Trump
family and your brother, do they feel safe on the farm?

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Journalist 11
they live behind electric fences you know try and be at night safe but it is it is constant whenever you leave that something could happen. There's no way to live. You know, both of them has been attacked in their houses. My mom's been attacked in the house when she was 80. So it is, it is, It's difficult, but the guys live a great life. Sample here.

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
Mr. President, I brought

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
along the president of the largest trade union in our country, Ziggy Solosi, because she leads many, many workers more than 1 I do. million, 2 million workers. And maybe we should give her a chance to say something. She's come all the way to join us.

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Ziggy Solosi,
Female Thank you very much, Mr. President Trump, for having us, and President Ford, for extending the invitation to us as organized labor. And I must say that we are here to support the initiative that has been made by our government with business, of course, as organized labor. We've been coming to Washington on the AGOA trade relations in the previous regime. And I think at the center of it all, for me, it is exactly what Mr. Ruppert have said, the importance of us growing the economy. We have always emphasized when we were here and kept on coming and negotiating on Agowa that the 600 U.S. companies, that are based in South Africa. As you said, President Ramaphosa, 500,000 jobs will be wiped out. We need more foreign direct investment in our country.

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Ziggy Solosi,
We are not just talking about those that will lose employment, but we are talking about over 40% of people that are unemployed that have no hope of ever finding a job. And we think that, correctly as they have said, that we need to deal with the issue of porous borders in our country so that everyone that comes in is documented. We also need to, and I would have loved thought that the minister would address the issue of land expropriation. and how the policy works in South Africa. Recently, President, as you were preparing to come here on the news, I think it was on Nadda, there was a handover of farms. And white farmers were saying, we are donating the land, but also there is a willing buyer, a willing seller in South Africa. So there is no expropriation without compensation, but it is a willing buy, a willing seller.

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Ziggy Solosi,
And that white farmer was even saying, President, that the government is even paying more in buying the land than what the land is worth of. And I think those are the realities, President, that we must say that we need to address, of course. But also the importance of agriculture leads to a goal. People rely on it, and I think, as Reti said, for survival and living. But lastly for me, President, is also the issue of... There is no doubt about it that we are a violent nation, you know, for a number of reasons, and we're not condoning anything. But also if you go into the rural areas where black majority are, you would see women, elderly, being raped, being killed, being murdered. And these are black elderly women that would be found, throat slits, raped multiple times and all of that.

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Ziggy Solosi,
And the problem in South Africa, it is not necessarily about race, but it is about crime. And we think that we are here to say how do we both nations work together to reset, to really talk about investment, but also help us in how we can have the technology and everything that is needed, President, to really address the levels of crime that we have in our country.

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Journalist 11
genocide genocide is a very strong word i'm wondering if you've made up your mind as to whether you believe genocide is occurring in South Africa or you still doubt and if you have made up your mind from the standpoint of South Africa, why invite President Ramosa here today?

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Donald Trump
well haven't made up my mind i hate to see it uh from the standpoint of South Africa but also you know I'm trying to save lives. I'm working with Russia and Ukraine. I don't have to do that. It's not our war. It was started by other people. It was helped along by our past administration. It would have never happened if I were president, but I'm trying to save lives no matter where. Rwanda. I have nothing to do with Rwanda and the Congo, but I felt I had a very talented person in this administration, and I sent him there. And he did an unbelievable job, I think. I mean, we're going to find out. But he's done the hardest part of the job. It should happen. If I can save lives, I want to save the lives. If it's in Africa, that's great. If it's Europe, if it's wherever it may be.

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Donald Trump
And it's a very small investment to do, believe me, compared to what the consequences are. So I hope we can do something. Look, I have so many friends. These two men, I have great admiration for them because I know what they do for a living. And that's a very hard living, going from city to city, from country to country, and hitting a ball 350 yards like they do. And getting the ball in the... They're champions. I respect champions. I respect very much and I think the country is very lucky they really wanted to be here that's true they could be elsewhere they could be on a beautiful fairway someplace and they wanted to be here

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Yand - Journalist South Africa
my name is Yand from News from Africa in South Africa how important is it for the United States to be at our G20 summit in November given the relationship between our two countries you just heard what has been said to you just now are you coming and are you preparing to come

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Donald Trump
so without the United States the G20 just like the G7 used to be the G8, but brilliantly, they threw Russia out. better if Russia was in, you know, because if Russia was in, you probably wouldn't have this war. And if you had a different president, you wouldn't have the war either. But we have a G7. It's important that the United States is at both of them.

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Donald Trump

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Donald Trump
I think without the United States, it's that I really believe it's not very important. It's not the same meaning. The Press As

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Cyril Ramaphosa - President of South Africa
I said to President Trump, The U.S. really originated the G20. The United States continues to play a key role in the G20 and we are privileged to be the president of the G20, but we are even overjoyed that we are going to hand over to the United States, who are the originators. And for that reason, I expect the United States to continue playing the leadership role in the G20 together with other countries. And I've said, when I initially spoke to President Trump on the phone, I want you to come to South Africa for a state visit, and I also want you to comment. participate in the G20. And I want to gladly hand over to President Trump to take the leadership of the G20 forward in November.

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Donald Trump
Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you, thank you.

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Journalist 5
How's that? Oh, we didn't bring him in. Oh.

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Journalist 9
No. No.

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